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joe biden will face off with paul ryan. cnn's political editor, paul steinhauser, joins me now from danville, kentucky. paul, set the stage for us. it's red, white and blue. i have to say, though, i'm looking forward to this one more than the other one because you never know what joe biden is going to say, and that makes for some great television. >> reporter: joe biden often speaks from his heart, no doubt about that. i think this could be maybe a more entertaining debate than last week in denver. those live pictures -- i saw you try to do them at the top of the hour, but you have them now. that building right there, that's what you were looking at inside. here's how it's going to work. first of all, the congressman from wisconsin, paul ryan, in one corner. he will be here later today, don. he arrives later today here in danville. vice president biden coming in tomorrow. both men, as you know, you haven't seen them on the campaign trail much. why? they've been locked down on debate prep. it's a 90-minute debate. martha rad
joe biden will face off with paul ryan. cnn's political editor, paul steinhauser, joins me now from danville, kentucky. paul, set the stage for us. it's red, white and blue. i have to say, though, i'm looking forward to this one more than the other one because you never know what joe biden is going to say, and that makes for some great television. >> reporter: joe biden often speaks from his heart, no doubt about that. i think this could be maybe a more entertaining debate than last week...
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thank you, joe. let's get right to jeff toobin, cnn's senior legal analyst, author of "the oath: the obama white house and the supreme court." we know that an dsandra day o'cr said we won't have to talk about this for another 25 years. clearly, she was wrong. >> the supreme court is different. the facts of the case are not significantly different. every court that has look ed at this issue since 2003 has simply followed justice o'connor's instructions in the university of michigan case and said diversity can be a legitimate goal of college admissions. certainly the only implication you can draw by the fact that the supreme court agreed to hear this case is that at least some ju justices think justice o'connor was gone and want to get rid of the consideration of race and affi affirmative action in university admissions. >> when you look at the aabigail noel fisher versus the university of texas at austin, there's a conflict between the xiv amendment and those that say they can have their own policy ad
thank you, joe. let's get right to jeff toobin, cnn's senior legal analyst, author of "the oath: the obama white house and the supreme court." we know that an dsandra day o'cr said we won't have to talk about this for another 25 years. clearly, she was wrong. >> the supreme court is different. the facts of the case are not significantly different. every court that has look ed at this issue since 2003 has simply followed justice o'connor's instructions in the university of...
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cnn's joe johns is live in washington for us. joe, what are we expecting today? >> zoraida, it's just arguments today, but the case has the potential to come out as a very hard fought and close case, a case that could change the way students all over the country get admitted to college and whether it's okay to use race as a small factor in the admission process to achieve diversity. as you said, this case is about a woman named abigail fisher who says she was denied admission to the university of texas because of her race. she's white. she didn't get in. she ended up going to louisiana state university. the university of texas allows the top 10% from each texas high school to basically go to the university. then everybody else is subjected to something called holistic review. abigail fisher was in the top 11% of her class. the question is really whether it's okay to use race in the calculation when you use this narrowly tailored program to achieve diversity. >> i know earlier when we ired your package we talked about race being part of the review process. do we k
cnn's joe johns is live in washington for us. joe, what are we expecting today? >> zoraida, it's just arguments today, but the case has the potential to come out as a very hard fought and close case, a case that could change the way students all over the country get admitted to college and whether it's okay to use race as a small factor in the admission process to achieve diversity. as you said, this case is about a woman named abigail fisher who says she was denied admission to the...
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you said about joe biden he's the gift that keeps on giving. are you hoping that he's going to be giving a sprinkling of presents back to you guys? >> i don't know but i hope he repeats this latest one, where the middle class america has been buried for the last four years. right, joe. in fact, you might use that in your opening statement. by the way, personally, i've got to tell you something, piers. personally, joe biden and i have been friends for many, many years. i enjoy his company. he's a very good guy, personally, so it's not as if i -- but honest to god, he still is a heartbeat away from the presidency and when some of the things he says, you know, you're slack-jawed. but i think he'll be well-prepared for this debate. i would remind you, he didn't do that well against sarah palin, so -- but also, paul ryan is a real policy wonk. he knows all the details. so if i were advising paul ryan, and i am not, they just haven't asked for it, i would say be careful that you don't come across as somebody who gets down into the weeds about omb num
you said about joe biden he's the gift that keeps on giving. are you hoping that he's going to be giving a sprinkling of presents back to you guys? >> i don't know but i hope he repeats this latest one, where the middle class america has been buried for the last four years. right, joe. in fact, you might use that in your opening statement. by the way, personally, i've got to tell you something, piers. personally, joe biden and i have been friends for many, many years. i enjoy his company....
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we counted 82 times that joe biden interrupted paul ryan. >> reporter: but also on substance. declaring victory for his running mate romney seized on what his campaign has dubbed biden's benghazi bungle sghp because the vice president contradicted the testimony of state department officials. he's doubling down on denial. and we need to understand exactly what happened. >> reporter: but back in the spin room, obama campaign manager jim messina said it was ryan who proved who was unprepared. >> he got past paul ryan's index talking card points and got to the details. >> reporter: romney will spend part of his weekend campaigning against ohio and the other in campaign prep. they agree the vice presidential debate didn't change the very much, it may have set a combative new tone for the next faceoff between romney and president obama on tuesday. >> jim, thanks. >>> let's get back to libya for a moment. it's become a focal point for the ryan/romney campaign. darrell issa was on "real time with bill maher" last night and he did not know about requests for more security. >> when vice
we counted 82 times that joe biden interrupted paul ryan. >> reporter: but also on substance. declaring victory for his running mate romney seized on what his campaign has dubbed biden's benghazi bungle sghp because the vice president contradicted the testimony of state department officials. he's doubling down on denial. and we need to understand exactly what happened. >> reporter: but back in the spin room, obama campaign manager jim messina said it was ryan who proved who was...
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. >> let joe be joe is what president obama said before the debate and that's skpanlly what "saturday night live" had fun with last night. >> mr. biden, i know you're under a lot of duress but it would do everything good if you -- >> you don't scare me, shark eyes. you think you're tougher than me because you do the px 90 workout? let me tell you. there's jim strong and old manner. you want to know a workout. when when the amtrak breaks down, i strip down to my tighty-whities and push that [ bleep ] all the way to washington. >>> the vice-presidential debate is history, setting the stage for the second debate between obama and romney and we've got a preview, plus we'll hear from candy rowley? she's moderating tuesday night's debate. how did she find that out? a little behind the scenes next. begin. tomato, obviously. haha. there's more than that though, there's a kick to it. wahlalalalallala! smooth, but crisp. it's kind of like drinking a food that's a drink, or a drink that's a food, woooooh! [ male announcer ] taste it and describe the indescribable. could've had a v8. you paid...w
. >> let joe be joe is what president obama said before the debate and that's skpanlly what "saturday night live" had fun with last night. >> mr. biden, i know you're under a lot of duress but it would do everything good if you -- >> you don't scare me, shark eyes. you think you're tougher than me because you do the px 90 workout? let me tell you. there's jim strong and old manner. you want to know a workout. when when the amtrak breaks down, i strip down to my...
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joe biden did. let's listen for a second. >> we did not pull them out. >> the calendar works the same every year. >> it does work the same every year. >> the eyebrows come together and the eyes narrow and that is classic anger. >> so in their closing statements, both candidates, you think, were very interesting. >> yeah. >> let's watch joe biden's expressions during his close. he's looking down, he's not looking at the camera. not smiling. >> it looks genuine and he softened it. he's been up here for most of the debate and now he's taken the energy level down here, and then i think this is really interesting. >> like the pledge of allegiance. >> he puts his hand on his heart. that's sort of i feel you. that's a way of saying i feel you, i'm with you. >> paul ryan's close was much different than joe biden's. tell me how. >> this seems a little bit more scripted than he was for the rest of the debate. so what you see is that he's looking right into the camera. you again, though, see the eyebrows raise
joe biden did. let's listen for a second. >> we did not pull them out. >> the calendar works the same every year. >> it does work the same every year. >> the eyebrows come together and the eyes narrow and that is classic anger. >> so in their closing statements, both candidates, you think, were very interesting. >> yeah. >> let's watch joe biden's expressions during his close. he's looking down, he's not looking at the camera. not smiling. >> it...
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these numbers help that narrative at least a little, maybe put it on pause a bit, put the pressure on joe biden coming out next week to turn things around for the president. >> you answered my next question. the other question, is this psychological? this -- you know, the unemployment rate going down? or is it, i don't know, does it really make that much of a difference? psychological or more of considered just a milestone? >> it's definitely psychological. it's also a good job report. it's a good sign that the country is beginning to heal. as i said, these numbers can go up and down. so one month does not make -- >> they could revise it? >> the administration said -- the administration was very clear in saying this was a good report but they were being cautious, they want to continue the progress. so they weren't pulling out the confetti on friday. >> yeah, as you know, the two previous jobs reports were revised. that's what helped this job report. so it could be revised for the next jobs report. so who knows. all right, thank you, rachel. great conversation. >> thank you. >>> up next --
these numbers help that narrative at least a little, maybe put it on pause a bit, put the pressure on joe biden coming out next week to turn things around for the president. >> you answered my next question. the other question, is this psychological? this -- you know, the unemployment rate going down? or is it, i don't know, does it really make that much of a difference? psychological or more of considered just a milestone? >> it's definitely psychological. it's also a good job...
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and, joe, how did the justices react to the arguments? >> the school actually says even if you throw out the issue of race, you wouldn't have gotten in, which is an interesting point there, brooke. but overall i think you can say the justices behaved very predictably and in any case before you listen to the -- you go to court, you listen to their questions, during the arguments, try to get a sense of where they might come down when the opinion is written and what i heard is the justices on the right taking a critical view, expressing skepticism about the use of race preferences in college admissions, chief justice roberts hammering one of the attorneys about the seeming absurdity of trying to determine classroom diversity of students who come from mixed race families, a lot of skepticism about how a university can use any metrics at all to try to determine when it reached the right mix of minority students to achieve diversity, what is called critical mass, part of the law for years. on the left, justice sotomayor and ginsburg and breyer
and, joe, how did the justices react to the arguments? >> the school actually says even if you throw out the issue of race, you wouldn't have gotten in, which is an interesting point there, brooke. but overall i think you can say the justices behaved very predictably and in any case before you listen to the -- you go to court, you listen to their questions, during the arguments, try to get a sense of where they might come down when the opinion is written and what i heard is the justices...
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>> of course, joe biden, again, knows how to communicate very, very well. i think the expectations for president obama, of course, are always exceedingly high, and it was relatively easy for mr. romney who had an 11th hour conversion. we recall that he is the etch-a-sketch guy that has transformed himself and quite frankly, we always have to wournd which mitt is going to show up. so if you just lay out lie after lie after lie about your own plan as well as what the president has been talking about, of course, you can look good. vice president biden will do very, very well. he knows what has been going on. he is in touch with the american public, and i'm just hopeful mr. ryan will tell the truth. whether it's about medicare and that it's a voucher program, that mr. romney and mr. ryan, their health care plan will lead to many uninsured and put people back out. preexisting conditions. >> let me just step back just a minute here about your defense of the president's performance. what is your theory? i mean, it was widely panned, and the thing is if he thought
>> of course, joe biden, again, knows how to communicate very, very well. i think the expectations for president obama, of course, are always exceedingly high, and it was relatively easy for mr. romney who had an 11th hour conversion. we recall that he is the etch-a-sketch guy that has transformed himself and quite frankly, we always have to wournd which mitt is going to show up. so if you just lay out lie after lie after lie about your own plan as well as what the president has been...
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just needs to be joe. congressman ryan is a smart and effective speaker. but his ideas are the wrong ones. and joe understands that. >> the president also downplaying his own weak showing at the first presidential debate. even though the republicans are now riding a surge of new momentum, he says that one debate is not a game changer. >> well, governor romney had a good night. i had a bad night. >> how bad? >> it's not the first time i've had a bad night but i think what's important is the fundame fundamentals of what this race is about haven't changed. >> not so fast, says the romney camp. they say after last week's presidential debate had such a big impact on the race, don't dismiss tonight's face-off. >> these things matter. americans are really tuned into this, especially after last week's debate where the president did a belly flop. people will be tuning in tonight more so than they ever have before. i've known paul for a long, long time. he has always hit the ball out of the park. this is his first t
just needs to be joe. congressman ryan is a smart and effective speaker. but his ideas are the wrong ones. and joe understands that. >> the president also downplaying his own weak showing at the first presidential debate. even though the republicans are now riding a surge of new momentum, he says that one debate is not a game changer. >> well, governor romney had a good night. i had a bad night. >> how bad? >> it's not the first time i've had a bad night but i think...
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joe has done this for decades. ran for president, did all those presidential debates, sitting vice president. so he clearly goes into this with a whole lot more experience than i do. this is the first time i'm on a stage like this. >> you said this is new for you. i want to show you a picture that might be a blast from the past. >> that's my first campaign. that's my lucky irish tie. >> you are going to wear that? >> i don't know. i have to dig it up. i've had seven elections and i think that's the tie. >> back in that race, your opponent is quoted as saying she's old enough to be your mother. joe biden is a generation plus. he's 69, you're 42. how much does that play into your preparation? >> i'm used to that. i came into congress when i was 28 years old. i'm used to serving with people who are older. i'm used to debate people who are older. >> it's not a secret that joe biden is going to come after you on medicare. >> i look forward to it. >> i've heard you explain and defend your medicare plan 100 times. but is
joe has done this for decades. ran for president, did all those presidential debates, sitting vice president. so he clearly goes into this with a whole lot more experience than i do. this is the first time i'm on a stage like this. >> you said this is new for you. i want to show you a picture that might be a blast from the past. >> that's my first campaign. that's my lucky irish tie. >> you are going to wear that? >> i don't know. i have to dig it up. i've had seven...
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draw as far as viewers were concerned, but i do think that there is some sort of -- when you look at joe biden and the issues that he brought up. he brought up all of those things that democrats wanted the president to bring up. i am assuming that you will hear the president talk about the 47% gaf of mitt romney. i think you will hear a lot of talk, much as you are hearing on the campaign trail now about, well, is this, you know, the mitt romney from ten years ago or the mitt romney from -- there will be a lot about the president to kind of frame mitt romney as someone who changes his mind on the issues. i think what the -- certainly what the romney people are hoping for is another good soltd debate. they think if they can keep it on the issues and show as they believe they did in the first debate, mitt romney knows what he is talking about and that he has a plan and that he can move things farther, that's what they're looking for. >> this debate will be a town hall format. will that benefit obama, do you think? does he thrive in that condition? >> we'll see. certainly it should. i mean,
draw as far as viewers were concerned, but i do think that there is some sort of -- when you look at joe biden and the issues that he brought up. he brought up all of those things that democrats wanted the president to bring up. i am assuming that you will hear the president talk about the 47% gaf of mitt romney. i think you will hear a lot of talk, much as you are hearing on the campaign trail now about, well, is this, you know, the mitt romney from ten years ago or the mitt romney from --...
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and joe amendola said i just had a quick opportunity to look over it. jerry sandusky is standing in front of the court and saying, quote, i feel the need it talk, not for arrogance, but from my heart. i'm filled with emotion and determination. i did not do these disgusting acts. others can make me out to be a monster, but they cannot take away my heart. a lot of emotion in the courtroom this morning. brooke. >> jason, he is obviously going away for a long, long time. but, you know, as you point out, the judge could have given him 400 years. there has been some outcry over this sentence that it wasn't enough. what did the judge -- did the judge address that? >> reporter: he did. and he said that the law made it very clear he could have sentenced him to hundreds of years, but he said that he felt as though a sentenceike that would have been abstract, and he wanted something to issue a sentence that was more realistic. and something that would be felt not only by jerry sandusky, but the victims themselves. had an opportunity when they sentencing was over,
and joe amendola said i just had a quick opportunity to look over it. jerry sandusky is standing in front of the court and saying, quote, i feel the need it talk, not for arrogance, but from my heart. i'm filled with emotion and determination. i did not do these disgusting acts. others can make me out to be a monster, but they cannot take away my heart. a lot of emotion in the courtroom this morning. brooke. >> jason, he is obviously going away for a long, long time. but, you know, as you...